Work It Like A Mum
Work It Like A Mum
Build a Flexible Career Around Your Kids Without Sacrificing Your Income
In this week’s Work It Like a Mum episode, I’m joined by my friend and mentor, Sam Earnshaw, who shares her powerful story of going from stay-at-home mum to building a thriving career with Utility Warehouse (UW).
Sam’s journey is full of grit, growth, and grace from navigating early motherhood and relationship breakdowns to finally finding a work-life balance that fits her and her family. Whether you’re craving more flexibility, thinking about earning extra income, or love a story of perseverance and purpose, this one’s for you.
What We Cover:
- Navigating early motherhood while finishing university
- Making ends meet through creative at-home work
- The realities of traditional 9–5 life vs. working for yourself
- Feeling like an outsider in traditional work environments
- The reality of role reversals, co-parenting, and solo motherhood
- Finding flexibility, purpose, and success with UW
- How she now supports others in building income around family life
Key Takeaways:
You’re not behind. Starting over at any age is possible and powerful.
Traditional work isn’t for everyone. It doesn’t mean you’re not meant for success if you don't fit the mould.
Flexibility is key. You can earn well without sacrificing family time.
Community matters. Finding people who "get it" can change everything.
Parenting roles evolve. You can rewrite the rules and do what’s best for your kids.
You don’t need all the answers to begin. Just take the next step.
This episode is full of real talk about the juggle, resilience, and what it takes to rebuild your life and career on your own terms. Whether you're exploring new income streams, curious about UW, or love a good comeback story — this one’s for you.
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Hey, I'm Elizabeth Willits and I'm obsessed with helping as many women as possible achieve their boldest dreams after kids and helping you to navigate this messy and magical season of life. I'm a working mum with over 17 years of recruitment experience and I'm the founder of the Investing in Women job board and community. In this show, I'm honoured to be chatting with remarkable women redefining our working world across all areas of business. They'll share their secrets on how they've achieved extraordinary success after children, set boundaries and balance, the challenges they've faced and how they've overcome them to define their own versions of success. Shy away from the real talk? No way. Money struggles, growth, loss, boundaries and balance we cover it all. Think of this as coffee with your mates, mixed with an inspiring TED Talk sprinkled with the career advice you wish you'd really had at school. So grab a cup of coffee or a glass of wine, make sure you're cosy and get ready to get inspired and chase your boldest dreams, or just survive Mondays. This is the Work it Like A Mum podcast. This episode is brought to you by Investing in Women. Investing in Women is a job board and recruitment agency helping you find your dream part-time or flexible job with the UK's most family-friendly and forward-thinking employers. Their site can help you find a professional and rewarding job that works for you. They're proud to partner with the UK's most family-friendly employers across a range of professional industries, ready to find your perfect job? Search their website at investinginwomencouk to find your next part-time or flexible job opportunity. Now back to the show.
Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the Work it Like A Mum podcast. Today I am chatting with my dear friend and mentor, sam Earnshaw, and Sam is going to be chatting with us today all about UW and the UW partnership opportunity. So if you are interested in earning some extra money on the side or either full-time, and you're interested in knowing what it takes to be successful within Utility Warehouse, then this conversation is for you. We're also going to be chatting all about the juggle how Sam makes it work. She's got a little boy, so she's very much in the trenches as well of motherhood and combining work. So thank you so much, sam, for joining us today. You are more than welcome. How are you doing? Yeah, good, thank you. It's very nice to chat with you on this sunny day. Um, so, before we start, do you want to give us a bit of an overview about your background, because I know you've not always done uw no, I feel like I've been a bit of a cat, with quite a few different lives.
Speaker 2:I've kind of done it all. So I went to uni, sat my finals, being pregnant with my eldest daughter, holly, who's now 27 um, and from there, obviously I didn't have a job to go back to because I'd never worked, so I just became that stay-at-home mum. I did working from home, but it was and, believe it or not, it was piecework. Do you remember when we used to like, do a different I don't know whether you're old enough and so mine was making catches for Venetian blinds and they drop off a box and while I was rocking her. So she'd be in a little chair and I'd be rocking her while I was making these catches for Venetian blinds and I'd get paid like 20 quid a box.
Speaker 2:But I could do maybe four boxes in a week and it just gives me a little bit of money because all the money I had was, um, the child support, your child family allowance money, which is 15 quid, 20 quid a week, yeah, and so it just boosted that. So I did that. And then Katie came along and I still didn't work, um, and then my ex-husband, he, he was the breadwinner and he went out to work. I was the traditional cooking, cleaning, all of which. To be fair, I love the traditional. I do love that role as being a woman, I love doing the home maker. You know I'm not all into men do, men can, and mine does, but I kind of like the traditional roles.
Speaker 2:So, um, but then he decided that he no longer wanted to work and he became the house husband. So I said, well, I'll go out and I'll get a job, because I was kind of fed up by then Katie was maybe three and I was a bit fed up of Teletubbies and Tweenies and Playjib and I did want something. I've done like a good stint of never working, um, so, so, yeah, I got a job in sales. That was I've always been money orientated and I could only really see it as sales was the only job where I could influence how much money I earned. I'd always done something. So I did like Anne Summers. That was my first kind of dabble into earning extra money around the kids. And yeah, it was Anne Summers, so it was going out and doing parties, yeah yeah, my friend's mum was that as an Anne Summers party planner.
Speaker 2:Loads of us. I've got some great friendships out of it. But again it was like my ex-husband would walk in the door and then I'd go out and do a party. So I was in the house, it was. You know, if it was raining you'd turn up. You only got paid based on what they paid for, so you'd have to order all the stuff, deliver it. Then they'd say, oh, such and such, I'm paid for it. And it was a load of hassle, so and, and that was before getting a job. And then I got into proper work, you know the proper nine till five job which I loved to start off with. But oh my god, the novelty wore off so fast were you frightened like?
Speaker 1:did you have a sense of imposter syndrome? Were you worried because you'd obviously not, you know you'd like got pregnant at university. You've not had a proper job um all through your 20s, so you did you feel that sense of imposter syndrome I've never fit in working.
Speaker 2:I've never, ever fit in, um, and I always looked at other people thinking, oh my god, they know exactly what they're doing and they know how to work a keyboard and I never knew how. All of that, I mean, I learned, but I never felt like a fit in. I never. There's always a click in there, whether that's at school or whether it's at uni or in a workplace, and I always felt awkward. I always, you know, even now there's clicks all over the place and I always feel really I'm never in the click, I'm never part of the click, which I'm okay. I mean I'm 49, now I'm okay. I mean I'm 49, now I've. I'm okay now with not being in the click, but at work.
Speaker 1:I don't know you're coming into a click. I do get what you mean just like uh just makes me feel really icky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um so. No, I don't think I felt imposter syndrome as such, but I just never felt like it was right you never felt like you're one of them no, ever.
Speaker 2:They were younger, they didn't have kids, or they were older and kids had grown up. There were no middle ground. Um, I liked that I didn't have to do the school run, but then I started to miss that. I really didn't have to. You know, never had to do a run. Um, I loved having the money, financial independence, but then that started going on. You know, just boring stuff. It was the bills, because I was now the bill payer. I thought I'd have the best life, and I didn't.
Speaker 1:I was going to say how did you manage the drug when you went back? But your husband ex-husband was a stay-at-home dad. You sort of reversed roles.
Speaker 2:Well, kind of. But do you know how I said about the I like doing the homemaker bit? Well, he didn't do that bit, so he was very much blinkered. I look after the kids. I take them to school and then I go home and do nothing, and then I pick them up from school and then I do nothing it were very blinkered.
Speaker 1:So I'd come home and I still needed to do the cooking, the cleaning, the washing, the ironing as well as interesting, you know he never took that role on do you know there's so many studies that show in heterosexual couples, even where the woman is the higher earner, they still take on the majority of like child care.
Speaker 2:I never walked him from work and the my tea would be on the table ever did you ask him, or yeah, just never, it was never a thing.
Speaker 2:They just went up until I got in. It could the kids something, but never, never me. Hence why it's now an ex-husband and it's kind of I don't know. I think, um, I think over time I just I hopped, I'm a job hopper. Yeah, it never kind of worked. So I used to just go and try, and the next job or the next job it was always in sales.
Speaker 2:But I always found that I was having to sacrifice so much and as I got older it was just getting harder, split up with my ex-husband. So I had the kids on a weekend and on a Friday I was still having to do reports instead of being able to pick them up. And you know, I missed out on the, the, all their sports days and things like that, because I couldn't take time off for that, because it wasn't justifiable for a half a day's holiday when I needed like the two weeks holiday in the summer to have them to have proper time. So I never really, I never really had them while they were growing up. As such, I paid CSA and so I paid child support and I did. Yeah, I was like the man, yeah, and I left the family home with nothing. I was like we never argued over the kid.
Speaker 2:Was that a big decision, a tough decision for you it wasn't, it wasn't, so he was a really good dad. Yeah, the one thing, um, I just think as, as long if the marriage is broken down, I'm okay with the man. I don't think it's the woman always wins. I always thought the woman always gets control of the, you know, gets gets custody of the children. It's not, it's the main carer. Yeah, I wasn't the main carer. I will never put myself in that position again, but I wasn't the main carer and so therefore he got custody.
Speaker 2:Before going to court, I went to see a solicitor and they said you won't stand a chance. And I'm like but I'm the mum, and they went, but you won't stand a chance, he's the main carer, he takes them to school, he picks them up, he's there for the holidays and I was like, oh, okay, but actually, when you take the battle out of it which you know, I think so many marriages break down and the kids get stuck in the middle. The thing I am really proud of is, you know, they were only little, they were six and nine. Um, they were old enough to make their own decisions, but they were old enough I could see they were happy with the dad and the dad was a really good dad, so therefore it wouldn't have made sense to take them out of that environment to then put them in before and after school clubs and holiday clubs. There's no sense to that whatsoever. So it was what was fair for the children.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he put them first.
Speaker 2:He then got himself a girlfriend. He decided he didn't want to be a good dad anymore. Therefore, they came to me anyway. So we got custody of them, but they did it on their terms. They chose to live with me and now John, and they don't see the dad, and that just shows that I didn't have to badmouth him. I didn't have to do anything because kids, they're really aware of what's going on, and then they came to their own conclusion of what they thought of him. And I, as mums and dads, we're just here to pick up the pieces, aren't we?
Speaker 1:so how long was it then when you split up with your husband? Until then they came to live with you full time?
Speaker 2:so I think, um, I think Holly was really awkward. She was around 14, so it was probably four years into me and John getting together. She was really angry, angry young lady when me and John got together.
Speaker 2:She hated John's, your second husband yeah, how he stuck around, I do not know. Um, I was, yeah, I was like, oh my god, this the little one. She was cute, she was all into like fun and she just followed him around like a shadow. But holly was such a daddy's girl that she hated coming to our house and she just took it all out on john and this was before her dad's like yeah, and then he got himself a girlfriend.
Speaker 1:She got even more angry. Yeah, she must have felt a bit abandoned, I guess by him Completely.
Speaker 2:They had an argument. Her and her dad had an argument over something really minor. Holly being Holly when she was only 14, she'd got loads of hormones going around her. But you can't move at that age, can you? And she said, oh, I hate you to her dad. And her dad said, right, well then, you need to go and live with your mother. So she she said, oh, I hate you to her dad and um, and her dad said, right, well then, you need to go and live with your mother. So she was like, right, fine, I will. And I genuinely thought, oh, she'll, it's just an argument, it'll blow over. She's never spoken to him since because she's got to apologize and he won't accept her apology. So the the relationship broke. He lives in Portugal now. He never came to a wedding. John gave her away. John's her dad now, wow, he's going to go through university. Yeah, he did everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's you know, I know we're like digressing, but like there's a sort of lesson in that there's obviously hurt on both sides because there's a stubbornness then on who's expected to apologise first.
Speaker 2:And actually I think your thinking about taking the battle and forgiving. Yeah, I'm like it's an asshole, but I just think if you do the right thing, then your kids will see that you're doing the right thing. Yeah, and it and it didn't. I think if you bad, if I would have bad mouthed him as much as I it was you know it was a crap husband, terrible husband, but good dad If I would have bad mouthed him she probably would have dug her heels in more, she probably would have took it out more. But because it was just look, you do your thing, and I always said they'll realize at some point that is an ass. You know, I was under illusions that it was going to work out fine, um, but but yeah, and so they came to live with us. Well, the first Holly did, first Katie didn't, so she still lived with a dad and so then it was kind of doing. That's when it started the juggling, because I was working out on the road then so how did you do that?
Speaker 2:then the juggling, then she was old enough to be able to get home, and so she, she became kind of the latch dog, the, you know the latch, the latch key kid, is it the latch dog key kid, you know what I mean? After after school, um, but one of us was normally around, so John would come home early, um, so he could work from home, so he could. Therefore. So he kind of stepped into that role and I was working here, there and everywhere. So I got the money. But now I didn't have the, the time, and that's the problem, isn't it? We have to sacrifice something. And so I didn't have the time, and that's the problem, isn't it? We have to sacrifice something.
Speaker 2:And so I got the money, the car, the laptop. I thought I'd won lottery, I was on a proper, really good wage and I thought I'd made it. I had a brand new Mercedes on my drive and up until then I had like a clapped out old banger, so I had it all. But then that meant working away, getting stuck on the m6, and you know, my head office was down in Worcester where I had to go every week and my I was selling the gtech air ram, so the cordless vacuum cleaner, yeah, and my patch was from Manchester to Scotland, so I was all over the place and never home, so so then I had the money but not the time.
Speaker 2:And then I got made redundant. So after that, after being made redundant, that's when I was like I got the golden handshake to disappear, happy days. And then I thought, right, what do I actually want to do? Because I do not want to be in sales, I don't want to do this anymore, I want the time. But then I had the time but no money. So you kind of like, yeah, keep going to John and saying can I have, can I have, can I have? And he always said yes, but he always said why? And I like don't really want to tell you why.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just want to spend money. I just want.
Speaker 2:I just want some money. Can I have some money each week? And he always gave me the money. He never questioned it as such and it was only a conversation we were having. It wasn't a dig, it wasn't a yes. But why do you need this money? It was just yeah. Why yeah? But it really annoyed me because I'd always been, I'd come into the relationship being financially independent. I paid for my house, all my bills, bills, everything was. I never needed him, I never needed money from my ex. It was all down to me and I did really well. So then, to be made redundant and I meant to sign on yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you have to go to the job center? Yeah, that's an interesting day out, isn't it? It yeah, a day worth of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you get stoned on your way in. Yeah, it was just like you know what I mean. Just think, how have I ended up here? Yeah, from a job that I didn't really want, but I really liked the money, but it pushed me.
Speaker 1:Had you already had, because you've had a third child, haven't you, jacob? Had you already had a third child, haven't you, jacob? Do you already had?
Speaker 2:jacob all right, okay, no, so set up quite different. So I've done everything, anything and everything to earn money, so I never had to work um, so I love this.
Speaker 1:You're very scrappy, which I love. I was just like you know. I'll give it a shot.
Speaker 2:I've always been oh, I'll give it a shot, yeah, yeah, I'll give it a go, yeah, and what's the worst that could happen? And my mum and dad have always been like that. So I think, because I've always had that attitude of what's the worst that could happen, yeah, then might as well give it a go. It might work.
Speaker 1:And things did work so what were you doing then, before you had Jacob, then after you got made redundant?
Speaker 2:the list is long so I did quite a few different network marketing companies, so they're all product selling so so what drew you to network marketing at that point? I think, because my mum and dad have. I've grown up around it, so they've always there's been. There's always different opportunities. I'm always open to opportunities and network marketing just made sense to me because it's low cost. I set up a teeth whitening business. Yeah, don't even go there.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how that happened. I've done teeth, not business, but I have to wipe my teeth before. No, I set up a teeth whitening business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my garage. I had to convert my garage, I had to buy all this. It wasn't just going door to door with some products.
Speaker 1:It's like a proper like salon in your garage. Yeah, I do it. I do it.
Speaker 2:I'm all in, yeah, yeah, so I've converted my garage.
Speaker 1:I've got thousands to do that. What did John say when you were converting your garage?
Speaker 2:He was just like well, he's always backed me.
Speaker 1:He's like Henry's always backed me and my madcap ideas. I do call them beautiful. I like henry, henry's always about me and my madcap ideas, like I would do call me beautiful. I may, just, I may just move house, basically because I was like this house has got a room that's going to be perfect for me. To do call me beautiful in the salon. So if you, at the same time, I made this poor bloke move house and he did it yeah, john will go along with anything.
Speaker 2:It's like, whatever it's quiet, it keeps her out of mischief, that's fine. You can't do it, yeah. So I did that set up teeth whitening. I did all my training. I had to buy all the stock, all the chairs. I had to do all of that. It cost thousands, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then what I realized was where I lived, there wasn't a massive demand for teeth whitening. Okay, ellen in Hal whitening. Okay with elland in halifax wasn't that glamorous. So I had some people that came, but I always had to do an offer. So it always got cheaper and cheaper. Once you've done one offer, it can only ever go down.
Speaker 2:Um, so I was doing product selling alongside and again that didn't really work. Um, but to get your hands on the team, when a product selling for me just didn't really work, but to get your hands on the team. Money product selling for me just didn't. I was so blinkered. I was like I'm going to make it to the top, I'm going to be a millionaire, it's going to work. And John kept saying it's not all right. This is not a good business model. What are you doing? You're buying it for a certain amount. You're selling it cheaper so you can get your hands on the team money. We've got that much stock of stuff. You. You buy it to hit your we are you normally in product selling, you've got to do a minimum requirement, you've got to sell a certain amount.
Speaker 2:I didn't have that many friends who would spend 23 quid on a mascara, so I was like, well, I'll just buy it. Buy a load of stock on his credit card. I've been made bankrupt through my ex-husband. All right, okay, I left. He forgot to it, decided it wasn't going to pay for it anymore. I didn't know that. So the house got repossessed. It was a proper mess, yeah. And so I didn't have a credit card. So so when I say John was a cheerleader, he not only didn't agree, he was your investor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did all that so and I was like, no, it's going to work. It's going to work. We had Jacob, and I remember doing teeth whitening the day after he was born, because I thought, well, it's only in the garage, even though I'd put out, I was on maternity leave and I was taking time out. When you're self-employed, you come to a place of scarcity and if someone says, can you whiten my teeth, can you do this job? And you kind of conflicted because half of me was thinking I don't really want to. But because of that I was. But if I don't, they're going to go somewhere else and I've lost the client. So I thought, well, I might as well, because the baby's asleep, it's only in my garage, I don't have to go anywhere, I'll just do it. And so the day after I started whitening teeth and then word spread. So then I had the baby, I had him in a in a sling while whitening people's teeth, and it's like very resourceful, though I like that resourcefulness yeah, but it was.
Speaker 2:And then with the product selling, we did that around babies so you'd never miss the thing. And I missed so much because I had my head on my phone, what it was relentless I missed, so it always gets me upset. I missed so much of him because I never had my eyes on him. I was too busy thinking but what if someone wants mascara and I miss the sale? What if I miss it? What if, yeah, I was constantly chasing, trying to flog products, yeah, using his credit cards, and he just said you know, enough's enough do you think that's why network marketing gets a bad name?
Speaker 1:because it has? It has got a bad reputation because the company's like 100%.
Speaker 2:There was a documentary all about how people were getting into debt and I've spoken to so many. I was in debt because of network marketing, earning money and um and and John said, okay, if you're going to make it to the top, that's fine, but you don't do it with my credit card, I'm pulling it, it's gone. But if you think you can do it, do it 100% back in. So I was like, okay, I'll show him. And I couldn't. Couldn't because I couldn't sell enough products. And now there are lots of people I couldn't sell enough products and now there are lots of people out there that sell enough products.
Speaker 2:You know and I'm not dismissing network marketing, I think it's a profession that when you treat it like a profession and you treat it with the dignity of the hours that it needs to build a business, it's a really, really good business model. I absolutely. You know network marketing is me through and through. But you've got to find the product or the service that aligns with you, that works with you, and I looked at utility warehouse living when our eldest, when Holly was tiny and she's 27 now and what is because we've?
Speaker 1:I just skipped along. I was like this UW, we haven't even said what utility warehouse is okay, so it's.
Speaker 2:It's um FTSE 250 company based in London that is a utilities business. I class it as it's a discount club with a utilities business attached because we help put everything in one place broadband, mobile energy, all in one place. And when you do that I always use the meal deal analogy. You go into Tesco's to get a sandwich and a drink for your lunch, but if you add on the packet of crisps, everything becomes cheaper because you've bundled it. You've now got a bundle, your meal meal deal and everything's cheaper. We're exactly the same. We're a massive big deal company which is on the footsie 250. So it aligned really well with the corporate background because I knew that footsie 250, albeit I didn't really understand it. I knew that it was highly regulated and so therefore, if I wanted to speak to someone who was a business owner, I you've got the posture to speak to someone because it's so highly regulated.
Speaker 2:The police do it. You know the police. If the police want to do anything as an add-on business, a sideline, they've got to get it signed off. It's got to go through all the due diligence to get it signed off, and Utility Warehouse is the only one that pretty much gets signed off, you know. So it was things like that, knowing that there were lawyers and solicitors and surgeons and, you know, architects right down to been men to barristers, and students to solicitors everyone in between can do it and it's there's no cost. And that was the thing for me, where it wasn't going to cost me anything apart from a 10 pound joining fee. Well, it was more when I joined, but it was. It was going back to the. Well, I might as well give it a shot yeah, this won't get me into debt either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 27 years ago, no way was giving it a shot, all I heard was residual income and you weren't a couple of quid every time you help someone save money on the telecoms and I'm like that sounds well boring. I'm not doing that. And so I dismissed it. And then, when Katie was little, I saw it again and again. I thought that's well boring, dismissed it. I couldn't see the power of residual income and then what's residual income?
Speaker 2:so residual income is a bit like you and your book. So you've written that book once and then every time someone buys your book you get a royalty. A little bit like um, you know, someone releases a record it plays on the radio, they get paid. And it's like us you get residual bills. So our bills are residual. We get them every month, we pay them every month. So why not get paid every single time someone pays their bill? It's a service that everyone has. It's an essential service. So is it as glamorous as makeup and teeth whitening?
Speaker 1:no, but is it needed?
Speaker 2:yeah, are most people right now looking for a way of earning money, and would it make sense to look at something that's redigilized paid as well as upfront paid on bills that everybody? I had to find women not all women, but majority of women that wanted to pay 23 pound for a mascara. Now, that was, that was eight years ago. What are the chances now, when we're in a cost of living crisis where people are tightening the belts? Are they still paying 23 quid for a mascara because most people are struggling.
Speaker 1:And how much would you have got paid as well on that 23 pound mascara? So you'd have to sell a whole lot of mascaras, and that's all I heard.
Speaker 2:So a friend of mine came around. She was sat in the garden it's just coming up seven years since I joined and I thought she won't be stupid enough to show me that utility warehouse thing because she knows that I'm not doing it and you've been put off by it because it is.
Speaker 2:I've never been put off by network marketing. So up until this point I was still doing network marketing. I've always like jumped from one company to another and I've never been put off by network marketing. I've been to seminars all over the world about network marketing. I am all in when it comes to a such a brilliant business model yeah gotta work it right.
Speaker 2:You can't. It's a hobby business if you want it to give you hobby money, but if you want it to pay like a proper business, you've got to treat it with the respect that it deserves. And that is putting in the work, learning the industry, learning your trade, just like anything. You know any job you go into all the jobs I've ever done. I've never just been thrown in the deep end and gone right there you go, you're the master of doing that. Now you've got to shadow someone. You've got to learn. You get. You get to know your patty, you get to know how it works, don't you? And you get better with experience and um, and what I knew with UW was it was downright boring, but all she said was oh, and we get paid on average 250 pounds per customer and then your little light bulbs when did that change?
Speaker 2:no one told me that the compensation plan had changed. Now we got this upfront income and I was like, nice, okay, I'm listening, um. But I was really skeptical. I am skeptical of everything, but I always give it a shot Because I like to prove people wrong. What sense of humor. And I said you know what? I'll give it a shot, but I don't think it'll work.
Speaker 2:But at the time we were moving into this house and it's a new build and Jacob was three and I knew that he was going to be starting school, which was why we moved up here and I wanted it was a new build. So you want new carpets, curtains, you know, I wanted everything. And John said you're having a laugh there's no money in the budget, it's not going to happen and we're going to take everything that we've already got. And I was like, no, we're not, I really want. I really want everything new. And he said, well, maybe now's the time you start thinking about getting another job.
Speaker 2:And I was like, oh ouch, don't want that. I can't work for someone, I'm unemployable, so that's not going to happen. I've been diagnosed since with ADHD and autism, so no chance can I work for someone. I need my own space and my own way of working. And then so, and she just happened to come around at the same time and I was like, right, let's give it a shot. It's this, my back was against the wall, let's give it a shot. And um, and I started just showing some people with her.
Speaker 1:So, just like we are. This is how network marketing works, because actually we've talked about that is. It's just. Before you jump into that, maybe just explain how network marketing normally works, so as in like a business structure yeah, the business model really how you if you join a network marketing simple we don't advertise.
Speaker 2:So most network marketing doesn't advertise. We are the network, we are you network, you market to your network. So the clues in the name. But people lose that. They think that you have to too many people. Spam people, yeah, and it's the spammy stuff that doesn't work. You've still got to build those relationships. You sell to your relationships. You know you're networking with people. People have to like you, they have to know you, they have to trust you and then they'll go. Do you know what? I'll give her a shot. I liked, I trusted and I knew the friend that introduced me and I thought you know what? She's made it work. Maybe, if she can, I can yeah she was an ex-teacher.
Speaker 2:She, you know, she liked, she loved being a teacher. But what she realized was she wasn't seeing her kids because she was too busy looking after other people's kids. So she gave it a shot and now she's got a great business where, you know, she gave up her teaching role two years later, I think it was, and she's gone all in with this and all we do is we network to our friends, family, people that we know, if they like it and they become a customer and it saves them money, etc. Happy days we get paid, but if not, that's, that's fine, it's worth a mile. I see it as we're in the show business. We show people what it is that we do and then we give them another option. Do they want to do it this way and pay the bills, or do they want to do it this way and pay the bills? You know there's no right or wrong, it's just another option.
Speaker 2:But because of that, utility warehouse don't advertise. Most network marketing companies don't advertise. We just go out and spread the word, show people what we do and then the company grows a business. So we've got over a million customers that have come through people like me, through people like you, who just spread the word, who spread the word, and I call it the ripple effect. So the ripple effect started with me. Everyone can start their own ripple effect and it starts with with me showing friends, family, people that they know, you know that I knew. Some became customers, some didn't, and but some said you know what, I would like to earn some extra money, yeah. And so you start in that ripple effect. Where now they're, they can now start their ripple effect and start saving people money and earning their own residual income and their own upfront income.
Speaker 2:And what I love about this is it fits in, so there's no targets, because, coming from a sales background, it fits in. So there's no targets, because, coming from a sales background, the target's always changed. I got near it and they go. All the targets have changed. Now the targets are now this but I nearly hit that, and now you've made it even further away. I'm never gonna. So I only ever survived on a basic salary. Sales is rubbish if you never get the opportunity to earn more. Yeah, most of the time, that's why you go into sales, yeah, yeah, you've got big goals, haven't you? If you're in sales, you like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you like earning money, don't you? You like making well, you like money, don't you? If you go into sales, because that's what you're basically motivated by yeah.
Speaker 2:So what I love about this is there wasn't the pressure of working for someone. We I get to call the shots. So you know, tomorrow Jacob plays on a Wednesday. The cricket season started. He's got to be at the cricket ground for half past five. Now that might be our local one where we can set off at five, but it might be a way where we have to set off at half past four. Don't need to finish work early.
Speaker 2:I just scribble that bit out of my diary not working time to get him there. You know to be able to. He's got a cricket match for school. That's a whole day of a thing. Scrub it out of your diary. You know you've got the flexibility.
Speaker 2:But then you can also fill all the gaps where you've got the time to work to earn money. And when you're earning like 250 quid for an hour's work by helping someone to have more money, for helping them to start their own ripple effect, by helping them to earn money in a time where most people are looking to earn money and you know, just now, right, we are in a wave of. It happened 10 years ago when there was the last recession. We're in the same kind of period where people are really struggling and my mentor the highest earner in the business he always says people are hurting right now. People need help and people need hope and I just love that.
Speaker 2:That's what we give people, because it's people like you and I who you know. We've got the, we've had the good job. We've got the, we've got the nice house we've. You know, the kids are okay, we can pay the bills, we can pay the mortgage and all of that. But the lifestyle part is the bit that's getting hit. Yeah, and it's the. You know that. Well, our mortgage personally went up 500 pounds a month and that's fine, we can cover that, but it means 500 pounds a month is coming from somewhere else and that's that's that lifestyle part where, well, maybe we don't go on that holiday, maybe we don't eat out as much, maybe we don't go on that holiday, maybe we don't eat out as much, maybe we don't go on that day out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's the days out. Those tea pots are like over £100. Really expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, and it's being able to. I want her to talk about being a yes mum and I listened to this talk and she was saying just being able to say yes to your kids and it was a big deal for me because I was always thinking, but that would be nice.
Speaker 1:But you see, I feel I've been like the no mum for quite like. Yeah, you know, to be fair, like you, we, you know we're not on the bread line and I know there are people in so much worse circumstances than we are you know we can afford to buy the food at the supermarket yeah you know, we do live in a nice house, we can afford our mortgage. But it's that like, oh, can we do this today? No, can I have some? You know, I want to go shopping. Get some nice clothes.
Speaker 2:No, we can't afford that and it's that that felt like it's tightened that pop and and it's that that we're really helping people. And and my passion has always been, I've got a team of women. I don't approach men I will very, very rarely message a man to see if he wants to be interested in what I do, and because they just don't align with me and people used to say, oh, but you can't just have a team of women and I'm like, yeah, I can, because I love working with women. I love the fact that, like, we can pick it up and put it down. Yeah, and it's a really good phrase if you want something doing, ask a busy woman and I remember to mess about exactly and I remember the power up.
Speaker 1:When we went the other week there was a lady that was a teacher, I think think she was a teacher and she'd been signing clients you know, sign up customers while on the sidelines watching her child play football. She's like I do this for my children. I never use my children as an excuse not to do it. I will always make it work and I think that is it's just. Women are so resourceful. The amount of times I've worked in the car while my kids have done like a hobby, yeah, something, and sometimes, you know, I look back and think, yeah, I've worked a lot, worked hard. I'm not gonna say like you know, I've not, but actually it's always fitting in yeah, but don't you think that, like with, with women, we put so much pressure?
Speaker 2:on ourselves where we want the. We want the high-powered job that's going to bring in the money, but we also want to be a mom. Yeah, and someone's got to give, and you end up doing both not quite as well as what you want to. We live like this state of we need perfection. Yeah, nothing's ever good enough for us. The outside world sees it as, oh my god, they are superhuman, they're smashing it, but behind closed doors they're like oh my god, I've not done that right and I'm not. Yeah, I feel that beat ourself up all the time and I just think with this, it enables. With my biggest passion, my, my biggest goal was to be financially independent well, you're so when?
Speaker 1:you started it was just buy the furniture. So did you manage to buy the furniture? Got the furniture.
Speaker 2:And then it was right. I never want to ask John for any money. I never want to rely on him ever again, Because I just felt like I'd reneged on the deal when I got with him. I had a really good job. Then I was on income support. It was like how have I happened? How has this happened? Yeah, it was to dent your confidence. I need to get back up to that. And that was £2,000, two and a half grand per month after tax. That's what I was bringing home. And I was like right, I need to earn that. And so, alongside Jacob, I and this is where we we really beat ourselves up as women, because I wanted to earn two and a half thousand pounds per month around being able to take Jacob to all the baby groups, to be there, to be waking up god knows how many nights times in the night through, to be the perfect mum, but also earn two and a half grand like the perfect mum, but also the perfect like.
Speaker 1:I know it's not really employee, but you know if you're in a job, perfect employee. And John used to say.
Speaker 2:Sam, but you're, you're a mum, you're looking after Jacob. You don't need how, why? Why are you trying to chase the dream of earning a full-time wage when you're not working full-time, you're working around him. I'm like, because I'm going to do it, because that's what I want, that's the goal, that's what, that's what I'm doing and that's what I did.
Speaker 2:So I've done it month in, month out since joining, because it was the only business that by helping six people per month to save money one and a half people per week you earn £2,100. And then in the background, you're building a pension pot that just builds residually off, starting your own ripple effect. By helping people to earn money and helping them to earn money and helping them to earn money, you start that ripple effect. So then the residual income starts to build. And now the residual income I get nearly, you know, two grand a month, regardless of whether I work or not. But that's be. That's just grown in the background. Not, I don't really focus on that, because it's just. How do I help people women to earn around their kids?
Speaker 1:is that what drives?
Speaker 2:you 100, 100 because I never wanted to go back into work. I never wanted to have to go get a job, I never want to have to ask the boss. Um, and since being diagnosed with ADHD, I know that environment does not work for me. And it's like so many women that are getting diagnosed with ADHD later in life, because the oestrogen starts leveling like dropping, and then the mask, the adhd mask that we can mask so well throughout our lives. That hence why there's so many women never diagnosed at school age. Um, the mask starts slipping and we start falling into the, the, the, the. This is so interesting I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I wonder if I've got like adhd. But it's not like maybe yeah, so what's the math?
Speaker 2:then the, the, the amount of women with adhd is untrue. Most entrepreneurs, female entrepreneurs, have got adhd because we can we get, we get obsessed hyper focus. Yeah, and it's that. It's such a superpower that not many people can do so, like in my I find it really hard to switch off and really put it down I love doing what I do.
Speaker 2:I work every single day. Um, I had a hysterectomy last year. Major operation went in on the wednesday, came out on the thursday, carried on working on the Friday and everyone was like, but Sam, you're supposed to just watch Netflix now for the next month? And I'm like, no, I can't just watch Netflix. That's so boring. I can't just do that. I want to work. I love doing what I do, and you know the phrase is if you love doing what you're doing, then you never have to work and it's not work.
Speaker 2:This in this is helping loads of women to earn flexibly around the kids so they get to live their best life and do what they want with their own money, without ever having to ask for a man. I'm with John because I want to be with John, not because I need to be with him. I will never fall under the trap of, you know, someone pulling the rug out from under my feet, and I mean declaring myself bankrupt because I'm in control of all my finances. We have separate bank accounts. This is mine, that's his, and together we work, you know, and? But I think it's really sexy to work, to have your own money, to be able to kind of get up with the purpose. I love being a mom, don't get me wrong, but it ain't half boring, do it oh?
Speaker 1:god, yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2:I'm so not maternal, you know I brand some next week and I'm like that's great a loving deal. But flipping heck yeah, especially when they're little worrying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially my passion is working. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:I think it's refreshing to hear women say that I will sacrifice bedtimes to work, and I think your kids need to see you working. I don't think you know. I think it's okay for you to say I'm really sorry, I can't be at your. I don't do football practices or cricket practices, I don't. That's not my bag. I will work um, but I'm there at all these matches. So we compromise. I didn't always do bedtime routine, but it's got a dad, he's fine. Yeah, he's bad. Why do we have to feel like we have to do everything? Yeah, I don't make tea all the time. We now survive sometimes on ready meals. I never used to do ready. Now, as long as it's martinson's fences or farm shop, surely that's like home-cooked food? Yeah, also cook cook.
Speaker 2:You know if you try to cook exactly I just think, as long as it's cost a little bit more than maybe just an iceland ready meal, then I I can eat that guilt-free. I'll have jam on toast for my tea. Sometimes. I'm all right, we still I've, because where I need to spend my energy is this. This business that we're building is building a legacy for not just me, but it's in my will that, ironically, when we did our will, I don't have stocks and shares and I don't have a pension, but I've got this business and our will right. The will guy came round and he kept speaking to john, looking at him in the eyes and saying so what other assets have you got? What? What about this, what about that? And I'm saying, excuse me, I need to put something about my business. Yeah, it will get to you, we'll get to your little business it doesn't work much.
Speaker 2:And john said look, I'm gonna tell you now, mate, you either listen to her or you need to leave because her business is going to be worth more than my business. She's got more in that than what I've got in mine, even though he's got a million pound business. You know it was like. This is. This is the really important thing, because it gets handed down to the kids and the residual carries on paying, getting paid, and it grows because the ripple effect you can't stop it. It's started, it's a secure business We've been going since 1996, and we are so into the sustainability of our business that they invest so much money into us as partners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that the training has been really good as well.
Speaker 2:All free all online or you can go in the room. We offer everything to everyone men, young, old, young, no matter what background. No one's discriminated against. Everyone's on a level playing field. Everyone starts at the same level, but everyone can go to whatever the level they want. Everyone could it's. It's the most fair form of earning you'll ever get it is.
Speaker 1:You know you are right, it is all down to merit really isn't it from day one, and it's up to you. Anybody, anybody, can be successful in this business, no matter what you look like, your background whether you came from rich, whether you went to private background whether you came from rich, whether you went to private school or state school makes it whether you grew up in a council flat or a mansion came from a council house with no formal education.
Speaker 2:Um, dyslexic, you know he? He lost everything, he had nothing. And now he earns thousands per month because he just started his own ripple effect. He had belief in the business and he had belief in himself. And that's all you need and anyone can do it, regardless of whether you've got no kids one kid or 10 kids.
Speaker 1:I'd say as well, this is a business where everybody does fit. Yeah, like I honestly saw that that power up, literally Like where everybody does fit. Yeah, like I honestly saw that that power, literally like you go to these organizations that pretend they're all diverse and inclusive and everybody looks and sounds the same, whereas this, like actually having the whole world in a room, yeah and it's great because you're around like-minded people, yeah, and where else you know?
Speaker 2:you go to work and you've got you know negative Nelly in corner who's worked for um and she knows it all and the last owners were a lot better and she just moans. And then someone else is moaning, whereas in this business you've got that. I we class it as it's personal development um business with a compensation plan attached. And what I love about this bit if you would have met me seven years ago, I was completely different to how I am now. But I immerse myself in personal development and podcasts and learning and getting better. And have you read the book?
Speaker 1:Untamed no. Is that on my list? That should be on my list. That should be on every single woman's list.
Speaker 2:Oh, do you know.
Speaker 1:I'm reading that at the moment, though, that I'm loving, and we should all be millionaires. Yeah, have you read that one?
Speaker 2:no, I started, started listening to it, but it's all about so. It's glennon doyle, she's phenomenal and she talks about how girls especially have to conform and sit and be heard and be seen and not heard and not have a voice. And it's all about being untamed and if you don't agree with something, have the belief in yourself to be able to speak up and you don't have to conform. And I read that and I was like I cried, I laughed, it was everything. And that book transformed my life because I was like, do you know what? Fuck everyone, I can do this. And it kind of gave you the belief to be able to go. I can do this, I don't care that.
Speaker 2:You know, karen down the road wasn't very good at network marketing and she thinks that no one in network marketing succeeds. It's like that's fine, karen, you have your opinion. All the fact that my brother's still not a customer doesn't matter marketing. And she thinks that no one in network marketing succeeds. It's like that's fine, karen, you have your opinion. All the fact that my brother's still not a customer doesn't matter all that. You know people. I roll you on network marketing. It's like that's fine. It provides really well for my family. We have a holiday every year, provided by, but because I work hard, it's not given.
Speaker 1:You're not, you don't win it.
Speaker 2:It's not a raffle, you've got to work, you've got to put the effort in. But when you do that on whatever terms you want whether that's an hour a week or five hours or ten hours it's your diary to work flexibly, which is why I love working with you, because we're both so aligned.
Speaker 1:I mean, you actually sound so crazy. I was like I feel like she's like my soulmate. I was like I feel I've never, ever felt so aligned with anybody, even more than Henry. Yeah, I was like she really like I feel like me and her. I'm such the same wavelength because, as women, we want the money.
Speaker 2:We want to be able to say, yes, I'm a giver, so my, my love language is giving, and I love being able to like if I've got it, you can have it. But I hate not having it. I hate, I hate not being independent. I hate having to ask for something for help, um, you know, financially. So financially to me, I love the fact that I can just say look, there's some money, stick that in whatever account you think it needs going. And you know it's like we. We kind of got chatting, didn't we, about Dubai, yeah, and I wanted to go to Dubai for October. I needed a goal. I got a little bit. You get a bit complacent, don't you? In work, you know, whatever business you do, you get a bit like yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty good at this, I know what I mean. Yeah, I always need a goal. Mine always is a holiday goal yeah, I've been watching.
Speaker 2:I'm watching right trash tv. I was watching housewives of Dubai wealth and I love watching.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I like that but then I always watch that. I watched the one about it. It was like Selling Sunset, but it was set in. London and they were making like 150 grand commission. I was like and then you watch it and you're like I'm questioning every single life choice I have ever made.
Speaker 2:All programmes like that and I just and I love watching wealthy people how they interact with each other and what they do, how they interact with each other and what they do and I've watched Housewives of Dubai and knackered my back so I was like doing work, watching crap TV. And I kind of said to John in January right, john, I've got a goal for myself, I'm going to book to go to Dubai. And he was like, ok, and I'm like, no, seriously, I'm going to book a holiday to Dubai and then I'm going to pay for it. And it's going to book a holiday to Dubai and then I'm going to pay for it and it's going to come out of extra money. So it means I've got to work more to earn more. Yeah, real, to put this holiday. So, do you know? I've done this. So book the holiday and that's fine, but I came from a place off. Oh, that's quite an expense. It's a bit expensive, not just like Costa del Sol, which is where we normally go. It's a nice holiday there.
Speaker 2:I booked it back in January, coming from a different place then, and I booked a hotel which is lovely, but now I'm like I don't want that hotel anymore oh, you're gonna upgrade. I've messaged Emirates to say I don't want that holiday anymore. Can you ring me? And I want, I want this hotel. Instead I want the the meridian I stayed there pre-k.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry anyone listening to this, but that hotel I would like, yeah, forget you that hotel is amazing. You're gonna have such a good time. I stayed there. She wasn't there when I was there, but abby clancy had been there the week before, so there you go, listen to her podcast, if it's good enough for abby clancy.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly but I've just kind of. I think you've always got to up your game, yeah, like okay, that's paid for now. What? What can I do next? And actually, because you're goal driven, yeah, and I love. But what I love about this business is the only way that we get to succeed is by helping a load of other people succeed. And I I get the biggest joy not through how much money I earn, but getting texts like from yourself saying oh my god, I can't believe I've just been paid, you know, 1600 quid. I was not expecting that and I was. I was like oh my god, my eyes are leaking, what's?
Speaker 1:going on. It was twice what I was expecting, because it only worked a couple of weeks at that point, hadn't worked very long.
Speaker 2:And then, like, to me it's like a really good one, you know yeah, it's, it's see, it's showing women um that you can have it all and you don't have to go back to work, you don't have to pay for child care, you don't have to go if you want, and I always quite like, if you want to go back to work, you can use this money as like the lifestyle thing, basically like pay for your nice holiday nice handbags, nice car.
Speaker 1:You can use this to get all those lovely luxuries that we all say Exactly.
Speaker 2:It's being able to say yes rather than no, and everyone joins for their own reason. Yeah, and that's the benefit of this, because we always say to people how much extra money would make a difference right now, without it um, without it affecting what you do. So it's not putting your kids in child care in order to do it, it's not giving up the day job if that's what you love to do, but it's how much extra money? And everyone comes with a different answer and they all say why would that make a difference to you? And they always have a different answer. And then we tailor, make what, how we can help them to hit the goal that they're wanting. So there's no right or wrong is there.
Speaker 1:It could be that you don't want to go back to work or that you just want to like. I joined, being honest, to pay for a nice holiday I joined to buy some sofas yeah, and now I don't even like those sofas, I need new sofas.
Speaker 2:But now I've I want an extension. So I'm like, well, we'll get the sofas, I need new sofas. But now I want an extension. So I'm like, well, we'll get the sofas when we do the extension. But now it's kind of the holiday and then building an extension and not having to remortgage the house, and it gives you options, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:And yeah, and it's all about helping women, which is why we are so aligned to work flexibly around the kids or you might not have kids, you know, there's people in the business that are putting money on one side, knowing that they can build a residual income so when they have children, they can give up work and not have to be beholden to when they go back after maternity sleep. And that's 20 year olds making this decision because they've got the foresight, whereas I didn't have that foresight. They have the foresight to think well, if I build a residual income now, then in 10 years, when I want kids, then I'll have the residual income and then I can live life on my term like, wow, you're incredible, I would never have thought, I didn't even think to build a pension and what I really like about this business is it is ultimate passive income.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you've not had to create the product. No, you know, because I've basically been. You've got to deal with any of the headache. Yeah, I've been in entrepreneurship now four years and the amount of people I have followed and unfollowed on social media who have told me the dream oh, you just have to create this one course that's then going to make you suddenly 10 000 pounds a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, actually, there's a hell of a lot of work involved in creating a course. Yeah, and you know, are you actually going to make 10 grand a month, do you not know? Whereas, yeah, it's like you'd have to make the course is that this is not sexy.
Speaker 2:It is just bills.
Speaker 1:But the choices. That is actually less upfront work.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah, there's no upfront work because you've got the backing of the head office that do all the gubbins of the accounting and the you know all they. They provide everything that we need. Where else can you get a business in a box, literally a business in a box that you can start immediately, earn money immediately and for 10 pounds, and then after month three it's three pounds. You can't even get a cost of coffee for three pounds, you know so for three pounds a month, where you can.
Speaker 1:Basically, you'll get a mentor, hopefully so you know, I've had really good mentorship with Sam and I always think as well. I joined the business the UW business when our business had been a little bit quiet and then I joined it and then just signed in a couple of customers to UW. My confidence has soared and I've taken it back to my main business and then my main business is doing really well, as now, because I think I was getting so much energy from you and UW that I could bring it back. Yeah, other aspects of life and you know else this sounds really random I've started running again recently and I'd stopped running after I had kids. Yeah, I started again. I thought, you know, I started running again, I think, because of UW, because that gave me the confidence to try something new and show me what I was capable of. And now I think, oh, if I can do that, then I can go back running again. So I actually think it's all like, yeah, all of life.
Speaker 2:I think it's that personal development and it's that feeling that you've done something, you've got a purpose. That then goes throughout life because I'm so much more confident. When I decided that I was gonna do a goal of booking Dubai, I had to go to work. I worked harder and I said, you know, john, this is the goal, this is what I'm gonna do. And he was like, right, go for it. Is it like, say, he's always been my cheerleader, um, but then when the money started being, you know, coming in higher, because it's just like you do more, you get more. It's a do you? If you do, you get company. You know the incentives and everything, all that goes alongside it, um, but he, he saw my confidence rise again because I work really well when I set a big goal and it is that I can't do it backwards but it is kind of dream big, work hard, learn constantly, love life, that's it, and that's kind of what I live by.
Speaker 2:But you've got to do the working hard because it doesn't just, doesn't just happen, does it. You've got to know what you, what you're dreaming about, what do you want to achieve. And then you've got to go make it happen. And that is learning constantly. Yeah, you've got to continue to learn, but when it's something that you love to do, when it's making it, I don't learn about gas and electric. I learn about like, how do I help other people, how do I get better as a leader? How do I get better as a mum?
Speaker 2:It goes through all lives. You know when, when the shit hits the fan with the old you know the older girls I can dig out that personal development that I've learned for the business and go oh, I'm going to use that on them. You know I can help them with this. You know my eldest daughter. She had horrific miscarriages and you know horrible time, but by doing the personal development it's like I can help her. I know what I don't say. I know I know how I can help her. And then my other daughter. She was going through a really tricky relationship and I said to her you need to read Untamed, because no man is going to do that. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm going to literally download it.
Speaker 2:You are so much more than a man, read this book and she was like, okay, mom, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it kind of it spreads throughout the whole of your life.
Speaker 1:So your goals are creating a ripple effect, you know, with your family as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, albeit they don't want to do the business yet no. One's being a nurse and one's a mum. She's having a baby next week.
Speaker 1:Exciting, I know, I know, I know you can have your grandchild as well, can't you yeah?
Speaker 2:Because of this business, you anybody? No, no, so I just cross it out with my diary and, as much as I could naively say I'll try and work around him, I won't, because I stupidly showed him my laptop once and we played see babies on it and he should have done that. Because now he associates laptop, it climbs up to play see babies and I'm like no, I'd just like to just do this, please on LinkedIn, like no CB is yeah so so yeah, we, we kind of down tools and the weather's nice, so it'll be nice to get out absolutely so where can people connect with you?
Speaker 1:learn more about UW, I would say.
Speaker 2:LinkedIn. That's where I'm kind of real and that's through your influence. You know, I wasn't really I wasn't really a LinkedIn kind. I thought LinkedIn was like Radio 5 and and Facebook was more like Jeremy Kyle. But Jeremy Kyle is where I've built the business, um on Facebook, but I've noticed that it's really kind of dropping his Facebook now and I think I kind of dropped you a message, you know, saying I'm looking to work with some switched on smart, independent women that just want to work around the kids and the job, and I never realized redundancy and toxicity was so rife towards women.
Speaker 2:I find it like offensive, how what women have to go through at work. I know there are men as well. However, I only connect with women, um, and and so, yeah, linkedin is where I'm at. I'm not great at it, but I am learning, I am getting. How good is it? Yeah, but um, but yeah, linkedin is where I'm at. Really, that's where I'm. I'm hyper focusing there. I've got my new toy, which is LinkedIn for the time being, until I get bored of it, and then I might flick back to TikTok. I do have a TikTok channel, but that's all about ADHD, really.
Speaker 1:We'll put all the links in the show notes, and Sam and I also run regular webinars as well. Yeah, webinars.
Speaker 2:That's where we are at, isn't it? You can see what you like, see if it's for you, and if it is great, you can join our little ripple effect and start your own ripple effect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Well. Thank you so much, sam, for joining me today. Thank you so much to everyone that's listened. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Work it Like A Mum podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, please rate, review and subscribe, and don't forget to share the link with a friend. If you're on LinkedIn, please send me a connection request at Elizabeth Willett and let me know your thoughts on this week's episode. You can also follow my recruitment site Investing in Women on LinkedIn, facebook and Instagram. Until next time, keep on chasing your biggest dreams.